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		By: Nick		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16970</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whilst this guy is, as he says an impatient bastard, his style of riding is not that unusual. I don&#039;t know exactly where this video was shot but somewhere in outer London (west perhaps) and that is almost a separate country from the rest of the UK. It has always been congested and the driving culture (as opposed to the law) says that you can do almost anything you want as long as you get out of the f**king way!

I doubt that the drivers are particularly bothered by being passed like that but at the same time I don&#039;t suppose they&#039;d be bothered if he got squashed flat either. I don&#039;t ride like that because I don&#039;t like that level of risk but perhaps if I lived in London again I might get a bit more focused on &#039;getting through&#039;. Even after 40 years of living in Nottingham I have never really got used to the dozy drivers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst this guy is, as he says an impatient bastard, his style of riding is not that unusual. I don&#8217;t know exactly where this video was shot but somewhere in outer London (west perhaps) and that is almost a separate country from the rest of the UK. It has always been congested and the driving culture (as opposed to the law) says that you can do almost anything you want as long as you get out of the f**king way!</p>
<p>I doubt that the drivers are particularly bothered by being passed like that but at the same time I don&#8217;t suppose they&#8217;d be bothered if he got squashed flat either. I don&#8217;t ride like that because I don&#8217;t like that level of risk but perhaps if I lived in London again I might get a bit more focused on &#8216;getting through&#8217;. Even after 40 years of living in Nottingham I have never really got used to the dozy drivers.</p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16949</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The document you reference does a great job outlining the hows and whys of lane-splitting.  I agree with you about aggressive riding (or driving) being counterproductive.  You end up strengthening the us and then thinking and more rage.

Saw a news report this morning about a road rage incident resulting in a shooting.  The reporter cited a federal report that suggests one in four US drivers experiences uncontrollable road rage.  That&#039;s scary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The document you reference does a great job outlining the hows and whys of lane-splitting.  I agree with you about aggressive riding (or driving) being counterproductive.  You end up strengthening the us and then thinking and more rage.</p>
<p>Saw a news report this morning about a road rage incident resulting in a shooting.  The reporter cited a federal report that suggests one in four US drivers experiences uncontrollable road rage.  That&#8217;s scary.</p>
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		By: Sandy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scooter riding and lane-splitting through traffic can be rewarding because it&#039;s easy to get through regardless of how heavy the build up is....however, being aggressive is counterproductive.  Upsetting other drivers just builds a culture of &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; and &#039;cage&#039; drivers become less inclined to allow a bike through.  This guy is really quite aggro,   a good rider expects everything and rolls with it.  Here is advice on lane-splitting on NZ roads: http://www.rideforever.co.nz/assets/Uploads/PDFs/ACC7009-RIDEFOREVER-Infosheet-FA.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scooter riding and lane-splitting through traffic can be rewarding because it&#8217;s easy to get through regardless of how heavy the build up is&#8230;.however, being aggressive is counterproductive.  Upsetting other drivers just builds a culture of &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221; and &#8216;cage&#8217; drivers become less inclined to allow a bike through.  This guy is really quite aggro,   a good rider expects everything and rolls with it.  Here is advice on lane-splitting on NZ roads: <a href="http://www.rideforever.co.nz/assets/Uploads/PDFs/ACC7009-RIDEFOREVER-Infosheet-FA.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rideforever.co.nz/assets/Uploads/PDFs/ACC7009-RIDEFOREVER-Infosheet-FA.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16935</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16932&quot;&gt;Mike D.&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t want to pressure my higher power to keep me safe from bad choices.  

&quot;Berming&quot; seems especially dangerous since you don&#039;t expect activity to pass on that side and I could see all sorts of situations develop that would not be good for a rider.  It kind of happens here on campus when bicycle riders zip by between my car and the curb, especially at intersections.  I&#039;ve learned to watch for them but I wonder what&#039;s going on in their gourd when they ride that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16932">Mike D.</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to pressure my higher power to keep me safe from bad choices.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Berming&#8221; seems especially dangerous since you don&#8217;t expect activity to pass on that side and I could see all sorts of situations develop that would not be good for a rider.  It kind of happens here on campus when bicycle riders zip by between my car and the curb, especially at intersections.  I&#8217;ve learned to watch for them but I wonder what&#8217;s going on in their gourd when they ride that way.</p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16934</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16924&quot;&gt;Bryce Lee&lt;/a&gt;.

Good question that relates to everyone in a hurry -- what&#039;s the mad rush about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16924">Bryce Lee</a>.</p>
<p>Good question that relates to everyone in a hurry &#8212; what&#8217;s the mad rush about?</p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16933</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16922&quot;&gt;Don&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the link to the article Don.  As much sense as it makes logically I have a hard time with the cultural aspects -- queue jumping would make drivers crazy.  Until the world doesn&#039;t rebel at the notion of someone else getting over on them I can&#039;t see it ever being safe here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16922">Don</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the article Don.  As much sense as it makes logically I have a hard time with the cultural aspects &#8212; queue jumping would make drivers crazy.  Until the world doesn&#8217;t rebel at the notion of someone else getting over on them I can&#8217;t see it ever being safe here.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16932</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will chime in as the California native that lane splits on a daily bases. That guy is F*%#ing nut! Most of what he does is not legal on the Ca. roadways. There were guidelines set out by the CHP http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/lanesplitting_guidelines.pdf
&quot;Berming&quot; would fall under no passing on the right. I know the sound strange but there is a defferance between splitting between 2 lanes and passing in the parking area or a bike lane. Yes I know there are those that do not follow the guidlines, their connection to a higher power must be much stronger than my own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will chime in as the California native that lane splits on a daily bases. That guy is F*%#ing nut! Most of what he does is not legal on the Ca. roadways. There were guidelines set out by the CHP <a href="http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/lanesplitting_guidelines.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/lanesplitting_guidelines.pdf</a><br />
&#8220;Berming&#8221; would fall under no passing on the right. I know the sound strange but there is a defferance between splitting between 2 lanes and passing in the parking area or a bike lane. Yes I know there are those that do not follow the guidlines, their connection to a higher power must be much stronger than my own.</p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16931</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16920&quot;&gt;Ed&lt;/a&gt;.

I posted the video in part as a curiosity but probably more so as an example of the more dangerous things a rider can do on the road albeit in only a few places.  It reminds me of the difference between what can be done and what makes sense.  Each of us has to make that decision.  Around here we can&#039;t lane-split so the parallel for me is speed.  Lots of riders exceed the speed limit and invoke a kind of horsepower aesthetic to justify it.  Like lane-splitting, at least in part, it seems risky with suspect rewards.

But at the end of the day we each make our own choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16920">Ed</a>.</p>
<p>I posted the video in part as a curiosity but probably more so as an example of the more dangerous things a rider can do on the road albeit in only a few places.  It reminds me of the difference between what can be done and what makes sense.  Each of us has to make that decision.  Around here we can&#8217;t lane-split so the parallel for me is speed.  Lots of riders exceed the speed limit and invoke a kind of horsepower aesthetic to justify it.  Like lane-splitting, at least in part, it seems risky with suspect rewards.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day we each make our own choices.</p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16929</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16907&quot;&gt;AppliedScience&lt;/a&gt;.

I think California is the only state to allow filtering.  Pennsylvania certainly doesn&#039;t allow it.  Living in central Pennsylvania there isn&#039;t enough traffic to even think about it.  A traffic jam here is a 5 minute wait...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16907">AppliedScience</a>.</p>
<p>I think California is the only state to allow filtering.  Pennsylvania certainly doesn&#8217;t allow it.  Living in central Pennsylvania there isn&#8217;t enough traffic to even think about it.  A traffic jam here is a 5 minute wait&#8230;</p>
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		By: Steve Williams		</title>
		<link>https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16928</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16897&quot;&gt;RichardM&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve seen aerial views of California expressways with traffic at a standstill.  From that perspective there is a lot of space between vehicles and I might be tempted to lane-split at a walking speed or a bit faster.  Certainly not at road speeds.  

I&#039;ve read of people claiming big commute time changes.  Hard to sit in traffic for two hours knowing you could just ride between the traffic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://scooterinthesticks.com/2015/02/lane-splitting-mr-fish/#comment-16897">RichardM</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen aerial views of California expressways with traffic at a standstill.  From that perspective there is a lot of space between vehicles and I might be tempted to lane-split at a walking speed or a bit faster.  Certainly not at road speeds.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read of people claiming big commute time changes.  Hard to sit in traffic for two hours knowing you could just ride between the traffic.</p>
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